Hi, I was wondering if Dash vaults are really Parkour.

Everytime I see a dash vault it seems to me that another vault (Kong, Regular, lazy etc) or simply jumping over the obstacle would be more effective than a Dash vault.

I may be wrong but I was hoping that someone could give me a situation where a dash vault would be the most effective way to pass a obstacle.

You just proved yourself, that the dash vault is rarely useful. I think we had numerous discussions about this and came to the conclusion that some people feel "more comfortable" doing it, compared to catpassing or other vaults, but generally speaking it's good to safe your ass if you haven't gotten enough distance through your initial jump to clear the desired obstacle.

bye,
Dirk

I agree with Dirk, it's pretty much just butt insurance.

There's no single way to determine what is parkour and what isn't parkour.

Personally I don't see dashes as particularly useful. The people that do find that it easy to use have usually practiced them alot. Otherwise It really isn't something you could naturally nail at full speed. You would be better off putting the time into other techniques.
I mean if you can dash something chances are you could just clean jump it which is much faster and probably more efficient.

It isnt really effective but it sure is fun when you can do them well, especially when there is something that needs to be cleared on the other side.
Something crazy ive seen is a dash vault to a dive roll. It is rather hard but the fella i saw did it well and it looked awesome.

Bye

dashes can be usefull in situations where you want to land very close to the obstacle you just passed, and it also allows for a minimum of impact.
its usefull for instance if there are two obstacles close together, so you can do a dash and then a sdc, or you can do it if theres a small drop with little space to land in on the other side of an obstacle.

also: there are no movements which are "not parkour", some movements just require situations that hardly exist at all, and so training them has no use.
the dash vault isn't useless, there just arent many situations in which its usefull, so you shouldnt spend too much attention on it.

This post has been edited by SporadiC: Apr 11 2008, 12:15 PM

Minimal impact for your feet, but very high impact for your hands.
Think logically: when you jump over something then there is a certain amount of impact waiting for you. When your legs get less, then quite logically the rest of the body (e.g. hands) that touches ground-like surfaces (e.g. obstacles) before landing get the rest of the impact.

bye,
Dirk

I do not teach dashes unless asked.

I believe there are more effective movements for the situations I've encountered.

I mainly use a 'stepover' vault, speed, cat pass and theif vault.

Brad

I used to be of the "no" school, but having learned to do dashes at high speed, i think that in some instances they're pretty useful. They're easier to pull off than a speed on certain obstacles for me, so I do them occaisonally. Still, I believe in not using set techniques and just going for the obstacle via movement and seeing what happens.

Thank you for posting everyone.

I have learned that dash vaults aren't completely useless, now I will use them more in the future!